Sunday, April 6, 2008

Jane's Job

This is a comment on this particular post at Feministe, which I think draws together various issues directly impacting third-wave feminism and possibly the 2008 election.

Some background. Jessica Hoffman, founder of make/shift magazine (makeshiftmag.com), wrote an AlterNet article stating: "I'm dubious about a movement -- 'ours' or otherwise -- that has not only failed to honestly and consistently address its whiteness but has also, in so doing, become something far less than a movement for social change."

By "whiteness," Hoffman apparently means that feminism should do a better job at prioritizing other lefty movements like immigration and prison reform. It should apparently be a given that these movements affect women, so there's no need to identify the specifically gendered elements of the movements -- feminism should simply incorporate these other movements. Or, at least that's my read.

Let me know what you think.

Here's my comment, after the always eloquent and thought-provoking Brownfemipower asked: “Is this what Jessica was doing? Saying that we should incorporate every lefty movement in the world into feminism?”

Well, in fact, Jessica has said: “My feminism is not something separate from “other” progressive or radical or left politics.”

And the article suggests this in multiple places:

1) “To be a self-identified feminist activist apparently unaware of (or, worse, deliberately skirting) … voices calling for abolition of the prison industrial complex as a key element of social change seems to me to be part of a movement that is not only disconnected from but also damaging to some of the most vibrant and potentially liberating social-justice organizing happening today.”

This does not explain how prison abolition intersects with gendered issues.

2) Jessica is curious about “why the multiracial coalition of feminist and racial-justice groups that started out working together to save affirmative action "for women and people of color" in the spring had split into two, the (mostly white) feminists in one camp and the racial-justice groups in the other.”

She says: “One of my co-interns had overheard a prominent leftist civil-rights attorney, a woman of color who was working with a former coalition organization, say, ‘The road to hell is paved with feminists." I thought our work at the Feminist Majority was good and just and concerned with racial as well as gender equality; I didn't understand.’”

I’m not sure why the two groups couldn’t work together, in fact. Seems like it would make sense to combine forces. But why can’t feminism prioritize women of all colors and anti-racism prioritize anti-racism for all genders? Why should the feminists go to hell because the two groups split off, while the racial justice groups are apparently blameless?

If the feminists chose not to work together: OK, that is problematic, but we don't know that, at least from this article.

Doesn’t Jessica get concerned with why the groups split up, and why does she buy into others’ assumption that those nasty feminists were clearly the culprits?

3) “[the] U.S. criminal-legal system, which uses the rhetoric of "safety" to destroy communities of color, squash dissent, and create profit for private corporations.” Again, this does suggest incorporating lefty movements regarding capitalism, poverty and race, all worthy causes of course, into feminism.

All very well if those causes looked at gender issues in this way. Do they?

4) Finally, she says: “When I was in fourth grade, in the fall of 1986, my (mostly white, mostly wealthy) class spent a few weeks debating California ballot initiatives.”

First of all, she’s speaking for herself here. Not all white feminists went to mostly white, mostly wealthy grade schools. I didn’t. This is one example of what KW is referring to, in which Hoffman projects her privilege in sometimes mistargeted ways.

She then goes on to say: “I was assigned to argue the pro side on an initiative to make English the official state language. I took the sample ballot and voter guides home and studied them dutifully, then presented an argument that included the statement ‘If I moved to China, I wouldn't expect them to speak to me in English.’”

Well, substantively, China doesn’t even come close in inclusivity to our flawed immigration policy here in the US. North Koreans can testify to that. So it’s an odd hypothetical and typical of her general shoot first, details later, style.

But back on point. While sensitivity to different languages and cultures is an interesting issue, there’s nothing in her example that explains why it’s a feminist issue. There are probably issues concerned with cultural/language adaptation that do impact women specifically. But Hoffman doesn’t cite them. The assumption that because those issues are there, somewhere, tossing the issues hook line and sinker into feminism is AOK, is a lazy one.

My point is not that feminists should not care about other lefty issues. We all should, in our efforts that don't go under the feminist rubric. Most of us have causes and interests in addition to feminism. My point is that it does feminism a disservice to make it the mistress of all other worthwhile issues.

For example, it is worthwhile to have a paycheck. It is worthwhile to take care of children. It is worthwhile to clean ones living quarters and pay ones bills. It is worthwhile to arrange social meetings with friends. It is worthwhile to take care of elderly relatives.

Let’s say we have a couple, let’s make at least one of them a woman, named Jane.

If Jane has to handle all those issues in addition to her own job and doing PR for her partner Pat’s job, while Pat focuses primarily on Pat’s job, that’s not necessarily ideal for Jane. It’s great for Pat, of course, and Pat’s probably a wonderful person. But if Pat isn’t going to pay the same kind of attention to the other issues or Jane’s job, then Jane’s job is going to suffer.

It will be put last.

Of course, Jane is used to that. But it still doesn't make it OK, IMO.

41 comments:

Amber said...

Really great post, very thought-provoking. I've been trying to wrap my head around a lot of these issues and you have a way of breaking it down to make it seem manageable.

Greenconsciousness said...

I agree this is an interesting post.

I feel the same way the conference organizer did when criticized around the WOC issue -- you can do your best but you can't force people to come. After 30 years -- or whatever since 1970, I have come to believe we need to get on with the work and let people be where they want to be. We can listen to specific points about something like you did not place ads in black newspapers but general statements that feminism is too white or the road to hell...are worthless and should be ignored.

If WOC don't want to identify as feminists, fine. If they think feminism is the path to hell, fine, work with the brothers.

White women should be inclusive in developing policy but not self-hating or guilty because WOC have their own prejudices. Blaming white women has become reflexive and it is time to stop indulging the negativity. A lot of the misdirected anger is PTSD from growing up in a racist environment.

The best work comes from personal politics. I was criticizing an organization once because it was too hierarchal and the lead organizer said, If you do not like what we have done, you should go out and make your own organization the way you want it to be instead of just bad mouthing our work. I thought that was fair so I did. And it taught me more than staying there and bitching.

People should go where they want to be. If a woman think the feminist movement does not deal with its' whiteness than she should form an organization that does Go where you feel better. Start your own group. Stop criticizing other women because they can't create your version of political correctness.

This is why I am always saying read, "Womans Inhumanity to Woman". Because of the analysis of how women expect women who are viewed as "successful" to mother them, meet less successful women's needs, mother them. And when that does not happen, the trashing starts. This dynamic stops us - kills our projects. But when women work on their own felt needs instead of "for" others,or criticizing others they tend to stay more focused on achievement.


When we work on rape, domestic abuse, child abuse, prostitution, employment discrimination, equal pay - equality period, our work will benefit all women -- trust it-- better a thousand ants to bring down the tiger each where they want to be... our strength is the strength of the dandelion .. our seeds are in the wind.

Octogalore said...

Thanks, Amber and GC. I agree that the work feminists do benefits all women. Certainly, there are ways to improve and voices that should be better heard. But a "where the fuck were you" argument does nothing for me, whereas I'd listen to "here's somewhere else feminism should be, where women are specifically affected."

Here's my follow-on comment on that thread, excuse the length:

BFP — certainly, capitalism, poverty and race are all intersecting “isms” and a rigorous feminism should look at how women are affected by each.

However, they are in fact also movements. There are groups dedicated to proposing different economic models, to ending poverty, to ending racism.

Wrt the critique of lack of white feminist support of immigration day rallies. I think that yes, it would have been nice if NOW would have supported this rally with a grant for something like job training for female immigrants and a booth dedicated to raising awareness of how immigration abuses specifically target women.

But consistency would also require that we then ask anti-racist groups and immigration advocacy groups to support feminist events and rallies. Angela Davis’ “Women, Race, & Class” and other works make clear that anti-racism movements have not always been bastions of support for women of color. I don’t see prison abolition groups at women’s events.

Of course, two wrongs don’t make a right. But let’s be consistent. If the goal is that true intersectionality exist, then that should go both ways. And if someone like Hoffman gets up on a born-again pedestal to scold, she should acknowledge this context as a factor. Despite statements above that all lefty movements face similar rudderlessness and vulnerability, women are unique in that we have so many other affiliations besides gender. And women tend for a number of reasons to try to multitask. While feminism’s inclusiveness is far, far from ideal, it is much more advanced than that of many other movements whose members include women.

And your point is taken about reform and radicalism. I see a place for both. I am a reform-minded person and see a place for an analysis of where fundamental change is needed.

For example, I do career counseling for low-income high-school students in certain neighborhoods in Southern CA. One such student is a WOC who has one parent in jail, has been sexually abused by a male relative (not her father) and her mother is supportive but on various meds that affect mood and stability. This student has a gift with computers. While she has dyslexia, she has scored unexpectedly high in classes involving math or technology. Nobody in her family has gone to college. She would like to work for a computer company in program management.

Now, of course there are issues with capitalism involved here. A radical analysis would have feminists involved in this situation focusing on the larger issues of poverty and racism etc. But in the right-here, right-now portion of things, there are reform-minded things to be done so that this particular student can achieve her goals. She needs a tutor to bring her verbal SATs up. She needs (now has gotten) a formal diagnosis of dyslexia so she can get the additional time needed on her boards. She would benefit from the right letters being written by the right people to the right schools.

Feminism, and all movements, need people working all angles of the game. Our flawed system is going to be in place for some time, perhaps for quite some time, and we need to help other women navigate it.

So when someone jumps up all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and says “It’s time for white feminists to … take on the issues that matter,” then that confirms for me that person’s lack of life experience. Feminists shouldn’t dictate to others which issues “matter.” Hoffman speaks to individual feminists rather than groups like NOW, which does have the power to have oars in different places in the water. It’s not her place, and it doesn’t work.

Apostate said...

Have to second Greenconsciousness and also put in a word for all those brown feminists, like me, who identify with the "white" feminist movement.

I have never felt excluded from this supposedly "white" feminism and I want to see the same goals accomplished. And what's more, I know a lot of brown women like me.

A lot of these white women who go around scolding other white women about how white they are end up silencing voices like mine -- they, full of white guilt, want me to be a "racialized" woman. No girls, I'm just a woman, just like you, competing for your job and your place in law school. Don't "other" me.

Greenconsciousness said...

Are we talking about immigration or ILLEGAL immigration?

Because equal access to job training programs for female citizens is a feminist issue. The acceptance of illegal immigration is not a feminist issue.

Feminist Foreign Policy is the way to organize for foreign women. Immigration policy for women to be granted political asylum from return to Muslim countries is another feminist issue. But just because the corporations exploit people to gain cheap labor by hiring illegals does not mean feminists are obligated to clean up the wreckage. If you want someone to help illegal immigrants, ask for help from the corporations who lured them here. Go after the traffickers. Support the border police and fences. Or would that get you called names by the boys on the left? Whose interests do their political positions represent? Poor women? I don't think so. So don't expect feminists to do as we are told is correct by the male dominated and identified left.

Octogalore said...

GC -- based on BFP's speech that Hoffman cites in her article, the examples given are primarily illegal immigrants. The speech notes that (white) feminism has centered "citizenship" in formulating its priorities.

I do feel that gendered abuse of any women, legal or illegal, is a feminist issue. But I don't believe that immigration itself is.

It's an important issue, certainly. Like world peace. But How many places can you be in before your main gig gets displaced?

"Support the border police and fences. Or would that get you called names by the boys on the left? Whose interests do their political positions represent? Poor women? I don't think so."

Amen.

Daisy said...

As I posted on the original site (at Alter-Net), I just had an email exchange with a feminist blogger who will not be named, over my law enforcement posts. She seemed to think they "weren't feminist"--when I had just written about an innocent African-American woman handcuffed to her car by SC state troopers. That isn't "feminist"? Huh?

The fact is, she really didn't think so. The upshot was, as Jessica's piece excellently delineates: this blogger didn't think it was feminist to be too critical of law enforcement. She also saw it as "racial"/racism issue, and I did initially tag it that way. But I usually don't compartmentalize, and if you watch the video, the way they talked down to her as a woman is pretty obvious. Analyzing further, I could see the handcuffed-to-car thing happening to some belligerent, young, white, drunk punk rocker, say. But I simply could not see this happening to a white woman of this black woman's age and class, who was simply NOT giving any trouble to the inquiring officers.

All that intersectionality stuff, just makes me want to wring my hands. *There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.*
:(

Great post, as usual.

Greenconsciousness said...

Yes, Exactly. But my whole work during this war has been an effort to make feminist see that feminist foreign policy - global feminism IS where feminist MUST organize. We are a caste as women.

I do not want to bore you with the whole list but how much of foreign aid goes to women and what kinds of programs? Why aren't we building DV shelters in foreign countries? Why not planned pregnancy clinics?

Who gets most favored nation status and why? Why doesn't FGM get you political asylum status?

I do not support illegal immigration because a lot of these people come from countries where abortion and birth control are illegal and their population is one of the problems for their right wing govts. Can't feed their people.

The US acts to relieve the pressure when we accept their overflow. When people have to live in their own mess, with help, they make the revolution. I want feminist foreign policy to be the help for women to change their own society.

Greenconsciousness said...

Daisy

Any woman who is powerful gets the same treatment. If I told you what the cops did to me, a female lawyer, terrorized by a neighbor I refused to have sex with,(their hunting buddy) your mouth would drop in astonishment. They beat me up and charged me with resisting. I no longer have my license because I would not go along to get along. I am a white woman. look at Martha Steward. Look at any of us. We are all garbage to them. Get it. Face it. Feminists say NO to power. That is not without risk.

I despise the prison system and KNOW cops routinely abuse their power, especially to women.

Changing the legal system is the basis of the anti violence movement. But if you specifically want to work with female offenders in the system -- do it. I could list all the issues but so can you.

But the cops arrogant attitudes and the fact that you are charged when they abuse you -- yeah it is real and it affects women but how we stop it--- well that is not an easy subject. Still the anti violence movement is affecting the legal system significantly and that is where I start.

apostate said...

Daisy, did you see that horrific video of a middle class white woman being stripped while handcuffed in a jail cell (they continued even when she eventually started crying and screaming for help), for no crime, and while she wasn't resisting? It was on Feministing a few months ago. I can find the link later if you want.

Greenconsciousness said...

and the white woman at the airport who they let strangle in schackles.

and we are not saying this to minimize the indignity to that WOC but many cops will be abusive to all women. And they will shoot your dogs and kick your cats to death.

NOT ALL - but a surprising large number. And then there are those cops who are everything we were taught they are and should be but watch out. It happens a lot and being white is not going to help you.

donna darko said...

"But consistency would also require that we then ask anti-racist groups and immigration advocacy groups to support feminist events and rallies. Angela Davis’ “Women, Race, & Class” and other works make clear that anti-racism movements have not always been bastions of support for women of color. I don’t see prison abolition groups at women’s events. Of course, two wrongs don’t make a right. But let’s be consistent. If the goal is that true intersectionality exist, then that should go both ways. And if someone like Hoffman gets up on a born-again pedestal to scold, she should acknowledge this context as a factor. Despite statements above that all lefty movements face similar rudderlessness and vulnerability, women are unique in that we have so many other affiliations besides gender. And women tend for a number of reasons to try to multitask. While feminism’s inclusiveness is far, far from ideal, it is much more advanced than that of many other movements whose members include women. And your point is taken about reform and radicalism. I see a place for both. I am a reform-minded person and see a place for an analysis of where fundamental change is needed."

I agree with these statements. White people feeling good about PC aren’t seeing this. If white feminism is radical nonwhite movements should be radical/feminist/GLBT-friendly too.

Pink said...

Hey there I have been reading you and BFP and ABW et all for awhile. My mind is like fireworks -- ideas in all directions. Thanks for being so analystical. Much apprecated. Now for my bg question, when I looged intoday, I could not find BFP's blog -- there's a big blank space. I ahve no way to write her. What's up? Pink

Pink said...

Sorry for the typos...

Hey there I have been reading you and BFP and ABW et all for awhile. My mind is like fireworks -- ideas in all directions. Thanks for being so analytical. Much apprecated.

Now for my big question, when I logged intoday, I could not find BFP's blog -- there's a big blank space. I have no way to write her. What's up? Pink

April 10, 2008 6:24 AM

Octogalore said...

Pink, thanks for the kind words. Re BFP, I would refer you to Sylvia's blog at problemchylde.wordpress.com on that one.

Greenconsciousness said...

Just read your link to problem chyld going crazy in law school - Ha! Wait till she gets out of law school.

Her long misappropriated (?) article (whatever I didn't really understand) on why we should not use the word "illegal" is very substantive and I will answer it on my blog.

But just wanted to say to Octo -- think "Feminist Immigration Policy" what would that mean out side of the stupidness of changing words to deny reality? God, another thing to write about -- the author, whom I don't know, cited some interesting laws in that article.

Pink said...

Thanks. I had been following the story but did not know what precipitated this closure. I thought Sylvia's post was brilliant. I have learned so much; I am sorry that BFP's voice is muted for now. I hope things improve so she can come back. In the meantime thanks again for the links; it's been enlightening. Pink

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