There is a lot of power in sex and so unsurprisingly, there is power in sex work too.
Ren has a good point here:
“When was the last time you saw Mia Hamm apologizing for her skill in soccer, or Condi Rice apologizing for her political position, or J.K. Rowling apologizing for her writing talent, or Martha Stewart apologizing for her business skills? When was the last time you saw any of them apologizing for the success, financial rewards, benefits and power their advantages bring them? The answer is never. They are not expected to feel guilty for their talents, their advantages, their work, or the power and rewards those things bring them.
The disdain comes far more frequently when that power, or empowerment, or any other sort of success or gain comes-especially in the case of women- via sex and sexuality, especially in tandem with being conventionally attractive.”
There’s a lot to this. Especially because sex work isn’t just about looks. Or even sexuality. Although without a certain measure of both one will not be successful.
For me, sex work actually helped a few insights kick in. I knew it was a temporary (planned on 1 year, extended to 2 years) gig. So I did it pretty close to full time during that period. I started working in a local club in CA, moved to another one because of some creepiness on the part of the owner of the first one as well as better income potential with the second, and then hit the big time – Vegas. I got an apartment there and lived there half the week – Thursday through Sunday or Monday. I would typically work from 7 or 8pm until 3am on those days.
So what were the insights? First, that I liked calling my own shots and being my own boss. Also, that I could make people listen. I’d always been intimidated by supervisors, who always seemed much more comfortable with the hierarchies in big companies (Ford, IBM) than I ever could be. But I found when dancing that these dudes, who fit squarely within my core demographic, were typically this way because they needed an imposed structure. If I could impose the structure, they would eat it up (well, or try). And I figured out how to do that.
Another insight was much more crude. Cash. As a stripper, I made more than double what I did as a lawyer, working fewer hours. Even though now, I’m making multiples of that (knock wood), I don’t get the same carnal, greedy satisfaction. Why? It’s not cash, and I don’t have as much control over it.
Going through my girly purse that I carted around at the end of a good day, counting the Benjamins – it was like sex. I’d only gotten pieces of paper before. And always the same amount. With stripping, I could set a target, and stay until I hit it. And then there were the bonanzas – crazy tipsy internet millionaires who wanted to be benefactors and give me a night off and asked me how much I needed to make to do that (even if I had to do some gambling with them, it was usually a nice jackpot and often I was given additional money to gamble, much of which I kept).
Or some awesome fellow stripper who’d invite me into the Emperor’s Room (three dances for a hundred bucks, total of 12 minutes) with a group who needed an extra dancer – the networking I sucked at as a lawyer paid off bigger dividends in stripping. Riding back to the hotel in the cab, counting the bills in the back seat with the lights of the Strip beaming down.. there was power there.
But I agree too with what Apostate says about sex work: “You are fulfilling a gender role that has never been found to be all that distant from a woman’s purpose in life — to be the soldier’s entertainment.”
True, the entertainment is part psychotherapy, not a pink-collar gig. But still, at its essence, it’s entertaining men, and that is not particularly paradigm-busting.
But I’d have to say my biggest reason why I believe sex work lacks something many other jobs have boils down to one concept: equity.
This is allied to leverage, discussed here.
Let’s say you are a teacher. You typically get better teaching opportunities through experience, you vest into a pension, you have tenure-based raises, you can put the experience on your resume. As a psychotherapist, you build up referrals, you can increase your rate, some age on your face can help, you earn additional credentials that in turn can increase your rate. As a salesperson, a doctor, a lawyer, a union worker, a writer – time can bring security, promotions, more qualifications that can translate into ones 40s, 50s and even 60s being productive years.
In other words, you build equity in the profession, and that brings security and a more passive income stream. You don’t have to beat down as many doors, it’s more likely business comes to you, for decades, if you choose to stay in that long. And if you want to shift fields, your experience will typically stand you in good stead.
There are some counterarguments. Strippers, escorts, porn actors can build up referral streams and command more money over time. But in most cases that caps out, and it does so pretty quickly. Yes, some make it into business positions or behind the camera. But that’s not a natural progression, and not open to most. Some work into their 40s. Yes, but again that’s rare, and it’s still young to age out of a profession. And when you do, if you want a non-sex-work job, your resume will either sport a gaping hole, or you’ll have some explaining to do. Of course, it’s nobody’s business, but that doesn’t mean it won’t operate as if it is.
It’s hard to turn sex work into passive income. You’re selling your body, and unlike other jobs, you can’t delegate – again, unless you are one of the few to get in on the biz end. It’s a constant effort. It’s hourly work, with no guarantee that the hourly rate will rise or that at the end of a number of hours, there will be more work. Certainly that’s true of other jobs as well, sometimes, but most of the time there is much more potential.
So what does this boil down to? We know that sex work employs men, but it employs many more women, percentage-wise. So that makes the comparative-equity situation gender-based. You have a profession that provides less equity, and more women than men are doing it. The net effect is less stability and leverage for women, regarding our careers and lives.
Obviously, this operates at the collective and not the individual level. On an individual level, each separate woman’s cost-benefit analysis is her own to measure. Some of these women are doing sex work in part because other options are not available. But for others, they are, and investing ones 20s and 30s without putting away enough for financial independence – which is a high bar, retiring at that age – will chill their future prospects. So collectively, what it means is that the more people doing sex work, the greater the perpetuation of women being the more economically and societally vulnerable. The more women, percentage-wise, without leverage, without equity.
So what I can and do say is that I fully believe in sex workers' rights, in decriminalization of sex work, and in respecting individual women’s choices to do it. What I cannot say is that I believe that choice, collectively, is a good one to encourage our daughters and friends to undertake.
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You lose points for using the term "selling your body". :)
Excellent post, that said, reading it...I'm really glad I'm an expatriate.
Very interesting post. In my Local, you'll frequently hear comparisons between our work and sex work. We call ourselves---those of us who aren't "shop rockets" (translation: those who never get laid off)---"whores". Our "customers" are the contractors, and we'll work for anybody willing to pay us. Our bodies are our key to work, and its no secret that if you aren't a "shoppy" by the time you're in your forties, the pickings get slimmer and slimmer. Contractors start giving workers the hairy eyeball when they get into their forties, and if you're over fifty, fuggetaboutit. I've known brothers to dye their hair and lie about their age in the hopes of at least not being first on the layoff list.
Which is one reason so many women leave the trade at that age---its harder to enter that inner sanctum, so if a woman hasn't made that status, she's either (a) focusing on union work---either with the thought of getting a full-time paid position (in the local, the international body, or the AFL-CIO), or getting a edge in jobs that de facto require a good word from the business manager (like state, city, or other institutional---and permanent) jobs, or (b)she's taking night classes to get into another line of work (that's ubiquitous among women---I learned that at my first IBEW Women's Conference, the year I topped out. Men tend to keep the faith and take the knocks---very few pursue higher education as a possible escape hatch unless they've had a severe injury that precludes much chance of finding work in the trades anymore).
What's the antithesis of the shop rocket? The "hall trash." *snicker*
Reposting the comment I posted at Apostate's blog, bc it's relevant here too...
This is the point you and I were diverging on at WAM, Octo… because see for me, while I agree that there are some things “missing” from sex work, I think that’s largely attributable to society’s perception of it, and the fact that it’s not considered a “real job”… so those things become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
See, I'm going all crazy on this over at my place now. Damn you, making me think and be cynical and all...smirk.
Ren -- fair point, about selling your body. The context was about the inability to delegate - the way a teacher can have a TA grade exams, for example. Because ones physical person is critical in sex work, one can't assign anyone ones tasks, is what I meant. (I often had a GF fill in and took a %, as you may as well, but you know what I mean). I acknowledged elsewhere in the post that sex work is a whole lot more than just your body. Probably "physical person," to include brain, would be a better phrasing.
I like your post and will comment there as well. Briefly -- I do think you're an exception, per my qualification about individual women. You have degrees you can fall back on, another income, writing talent, a lot of energy to go after other projects. You would be successful in any endeavor. People who have that drive, and it's unusual, are more resistant to job choice. I'm talking about what makes sense on average. And not just from a feminist lens, but from a practical, economic one.
You mentioned in your post that many good choices aren't feminist or aren't income-maximizing -- like marriage or babies. As you know from other posts, I don't believe that marriage or babies should impact women dramatically differently from how they impact men -- so I don't see a real parallel there. Aside from carrying the baby -- most of those months don't involve bedrest -- and breast-feeding -- which is compatible with many jobs -- there are (usually) two parents involved. So it can certainly be a feminist choice.
And I'm not arguing that all choices need to be income-maximizing. I have a daughter, certainly looking at my school bills and Hanna Anderson bills etc., that choice wasn't. It gets to what I said about cost-benefit. If for a particular woman, the economic + emotional benefits of sex work outweight the costs over a lifetime, then she should do sex work with my blessing (not that she needs that).
My discussion of equity was based on the fact that without the building-up of equity that many other professions allow, I believe the majority of women will in the long term face both economic and emotional harms later in life from the lack thereof.
Amber -- a good point because many of the things missing from sex work are indeed due to societal perception.
That said, two thoughts.
First, even granting that most of the things missing are due to this, so what? We all live in society, right? We accumulate equity based on what we can do in society. That’s the context against which all this is set. When we hit utopia, let me know. We ain’t there yet.
Second, not everything missing from sex work is due to societal perception. Unless one switches to the business end, the learning curve in sex work flattens out over time. Certainly, there are many skills to pick up. It’s not, as Ren pointed out, just selling ones body. My typical shift take grew tenfold in my first year of stripping, and I’m sure there are similar examples in porn or other aspects of sex work.
But that said, it caps out very quickly. I was at the top of my game when I quit. Unless I started doing things I’d decided I wouldn’t (and if I had, that too would cap out quickly), I was making as much as I ever would. And in time, I would make less. Maybe not a year or five years. It’s been eight years now and I could probably still hit my max on a good day . But I know that wouldn’t last.
Part of that is because of societal perception, sure. The view of women (and men to a lesser degree) as we age. You want to take a chance that this is going to change in our daughters’ lifetime?
But beyond the age issue, there is the skill-learning curve issue mentioned above. There just isn’t the kind of complexity as is involved in many other jobs. That kind of complexity, and ability to gain experience and therefore job security and equity, is critical to productivity and feeling good about yourself in your 40s-60s. The lawyers I represent in their 50s know things that the lawyers in their 30s don’t. And, before anyone calls me elitist, that’s true of many other professionals as well. Store managers. Fashion buyers. Sherry Lansing was a secretary before she ran a studio. A small businessperson learning a trade. Sex work has a learning curve, but it’s measured in 2-5 years rather than 30+ years.
And that goes to how it's valued over time, and how women who do it are valued, and value ourselves, over time.
La Lubu - interesting analogy to union work. What is a "shoppy"?
What do you see as fixes for the age-related layoffs?
Also, why do you think women either leave earlier or begin to seek an escape hatch?
Sorry about all the questions -- this is one job area I have no experience with.
Part of that is because of societal perception, sure. The view of women (and men to a lesser degree) as we age. You want to take a chance that this is going to change in our daughters’ lifetime?
It probably won't change within one generation, but it's still an important, worthwhile goal to fight for. And in the meantime, of course, we should also look at real-world, here-and-now solutions to problems women face.
More later... sorry so short
Amber -- I agree about fighting to change the perceptions of youth as beauty especially as applicable to women, and that we should look at present-day solutions.
My post is specifically directed at the latter -- at looking at where women can build up the most overall equity. Or, if you prefer, utilitarian optimization. I think this would lead to a situation in which women bridge the power gap.
Which would in turn address the fact that women are not viewed as getting better with age -- much of that has to do with the fact that right now, women are more likely to predominate in jobs that are youth/beauty-focused and less in jobs that are experience-focused. With more of an equal proportion there, women would not be seen as young/decorative-only and possibly other characteristics, like age/wisdom/experience, might take on aphrodisiac elements. In this way, women might have a longer path in sex work.
But this doesn't just happen by itself. Women going into sex work now for reasons that do not compute looking at a long-term cost-benefit equity analysis (again -- no issues regarding individuals for whom this analysis does indeed make sense) does not turn around these stereotypes.
We do not fight for these goals by sending our daughters, or ourselves, in to the current environment. If we're rock solid that we've looked at the longer-term implications, by all means. But not because it's going to change the ageism issue. That only changes when women accumulate power that isn't in-significant-though-not-only part based on appearance. And we're not there yet.
The thing is, "social perception" isn't 100% arbitrary or relative. In virtually every society, including societies that I'd describe as "sex-positive" (and not Puritanical), sex has been thought of as *different* from farming or craftsmanship or what-have-you.
So I'm very skeptical of pro-sex-work advocates who claim that "social perception" is the only thing that stops sex work from being "just another job." I don't think it will ever be just another job. Which does not necessarily mean it should be criminalized.
I'll keep it short and sweet, because I don't want to derail the thread.
"shoppy" is another way of saying "shop rocket". Back in the day, old timers would write "V-2" on the hardhats of shop rockets, preferably where it would take 'em awhile to see it, so they could be snickered at by the hall trash for awhile. (v-2 being a type of rocket).
I think women look for the escape hatch earlier because of not having the luxury of illusion. I think that opportunities for women in the trades are increasing---women entering now are not having the experiences the first and second generation had---but getting the opportunity for advancement to a more management position---running jobs, being an estimator, project manager, or such---very few women. Yet. That will change as some of the real old-guard hostile sexists are retiring or dying. My daughter's generation will be the one to break those barriers. Also, more women in the trades have had some college (or even a degree) to begin with---it's not as big a leap to think about returning. I imagine it's harder for someone with a high school diploma to think about going back to school after a 25-30 year absence.
As to how to resolve age discrimination, I think keeping statistics on the ages of people getting laid off and going to the mat with the contractors is the best route. The problem with establishing senority (which is rare in the building trades) is the toll it takes on younger members. If you're trying to attract younger folks into the trade, its a lot harder to do if the first thing you have to tell them is "....and, you better like living out of a suitcase and never seeing your kids". With the first-come, first-served book system, you have the chance at staying home even when work is tight. I'm more in favor of "document, document, document." Establish a strong pattern of discrimination, and you've got real ammunition. That hits the problem at its core.
(dammit. I really was trying to keep that short and sweet.)
(shutting up now---I think I'll check out what's going on over at Ren's!)
Octo - one other quick comment - another industry that's similar to sex work in that options/equity decrease over time is technology. Specifically, software engineering and web development. Yeah, if you stay with a company long enough you can enter management; but for people who don't want to be a manager, because what they love is coding (like me), once you reach a certain age people start looking at you a little weird, and if you have to change jobs, well... good luck. People don't "trust" an older developer. They think the person isn't as likely to be up to speed with their skills. At a former job (which I left after three months due to sexual harassment - just an aside to say that yeah, admittedly these people sucked) there were multiple times when I heard some of my coworkers joking about older developers and questioning their ability and, frankly, their sanity... one joke that got a lot of laughter was, "What do you call a developer over 40?" "Unemployed."
Amber -- interesting example. I used to be a coder in college. A number of folks who were in my dept went on to oversee other programmers, or get into project development or teaching. I agree, I have not seen many 40+ folks in that discipline. I would differentiate it from sex work in the following ways:
1) there are more natural succession paths, whether or not someone wants to follow them;
2) if the coder wants to move laterally into a related field, the experience can be displayed on a resume and is typically viewed as useful;
3) there is no need to explain what appears to be a large gap on a resume;
4) there is no need to explain a job change into a completely unrelated area;
5) older coders are not graphically insulted daily for their perceived decrepitude;
6) coders can share their experiences with friends and family without as often being scorned for bad judgment;
7) typically the bad age jokes in sex work start coming long before 40+.
I take your point that there are some common themes in all kinds of jobs, but I'm afraid this example doesn't really convince me that my arguments are unfounded.
I have done coding, other kinds of high tech work (internet business development, the first job ever in which my supervisor was younger than me) and sex work. If others with these various IRL experiences want to dispute that there are some fundamental distinctions, bring it on.
Octo,
Oh, I certainly wasn't trying to draw an exact parallel between web development and sex work - that would be insulting to sex workers, because they face serious problems (many of which you outlined in your comment) due to the stigmatized and often criminalized nature of their work. As a coder I will never face the threat of jail time simply for doing my job, potential violence from clients and/or law enforcement, being turned down for other jobs because web development isn't "real work" or is seen as unsavory, and so on.
So, no, it's definitely not a parallel. I was just pointing on that there are other fields in which age can become a liability as one grows older.
But again - and I don't think we disagree on this point, but I'm just reiterating - many of the unique problems in sex work that you described are due to it being criminalized and/or stigmatized. If it were viewed as a legitimate job, sex workers wishing to enter another field wouldn't have to try to "explain away" gaps on a resume, for example.
And yeah, social perceptions take a long time to change. But we can still make every effort to slowly chip away at them day by day, by speaking up and refusing to accept the status quo. And decriminalization should definitely happen post-haste, regardless of how long it might take for social attitudes to "catch up."
"And yeah, social perceptions take a long time to change. But we can still make every effort to slowly chip away at them day by day, by speaking up and refusing to accept the status quo. And decriminalization should definitely happen post-haste, regardless of how long it might take for social attitudes to 'catch up.'"
Totally agree. And yes, we are aligned on pretty much all of this!
The only way in which I differ is that I think that based on reasons I've outlined and LadyVetinari and others have noted, there are other differences besides societal prejudice. So I think the way we chip away at the social perception needs to acknowledge this, and also needs to acknowledge which societal prejudices aren't going away maybe ever, otherwise we won't be listened to, but will be written off as irrational.
The best way to convince the opposition -- which isn't people like me, but folks who are much less sympathetic -- is to keep it real. And not let our understandable empathy and support cloud our knowledge about ON AVERAGE long term viability of professions.
The best way to convince the opposition -- which isn't people like me, but folks who are much less sympathetic -- is to keep it real. And not let our understandable empathy and support cloud our knowledge about ON AVERAGE long term viability of professions.
I think the key here is having options. And I think most people have them, to some degree or another - they just might not recognize them, or certain options may be way more desirable than others.
Let's be honest, in this day and age how many people stay in the same career for 40+ years? It's not like several decades ago when you'd take a job out of college and then retire with a pension plan after 30 years with the company. And many (I'd venture to say "most," but I don't know that for sure) people aren't working in the same field that they got their college degree in.
It's not uncommon for people to decide to do a certain thing for a while and then move on to something else. So I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to say, hey, I want to work in the sex industry for 5 years, and then do something else.
The potential problem comes in having to explain resume gaps due to current stigma, of course. But if sex work were viewed as a legitimate profession, that wouldn't be an issue. And I believe women do learn skills doing sex work that are applicable in many other industries - managing one's time and money, effective communication with clients, setting the scope of a project (heh) and so on.
And I think we agree on this, and the crux of the problem is that the stigma DOES exist now, so how do we fight it while at the same time making sure women 1) aren't limited in their choices and 2) have the resources to make the best long-term decisions for themselves. Is that right? Did I sum up what you're saying accurately?
I feel like I'm not really conveying what I mean all that well... hmmm.
I think you are conveying it clearly.
While people job-shift quite a bit these days (and I'd be sorely disappointed if they didn't!) most of the time it's within related fields.
So not only is the resume-gap-social-perception issue there, but there's limited translation of sex-work-related skills.
Sure, there is a lot of cross-over. I was rarely able to manipulate senior rainmakers to the degree I can now after having gained some skills and lost some intimidation in the booth, for example. But this learning curve caps out after a couple of years. It's not the wealth of experience that one learns in a related field.
Of course it's not unreasonable for women to do sex work stints. I've never argued that. I think there are more pitfalls in extending those stints than in embarking on many other careers, however, for reasons other than societal perception.
Maybe I have not communicated clearly on what I think those reasons are. They are the following:
1) the learning curve distinction, per above.
2) the hours during which one maxes out on income.
3) ageism generally -- part of it's due to societal perception of sex work, part is not specific to sex work.
4) STDs. Societal perception doesn't make condoms break. (This wouldn't apply as much to sex work not involving acts that could transmit STDs, but most sex workers doing any kind of work receive temptation regarding these activities).
5) In most jobs, the customer pool does not include people who are lying or omitting to tell family members that they are a purchaser. Granted, sex work involves customers who are not deceptive in this way and sex workers are not creating the deception.
6) In sex work there is more likely to be a disconnect between the worker and the customer about what is really happening than in other jobs, which can have longer term emotional impact on the sex worker (the customer too, but I'm not as concerned with that).
"the stigma DOES exist now, so how do we fight it while at the same time making sure women 1) aren't limited in their choices and 2) have the resources to make the best long-term decisions for themselves. Is that right? Did I sum up what you're saying accurately?"
Yes!
The lawyers I represent in their 50s know things that the lawyers in their 30s don’t. And, before anyone calls me elitist, that’s true of many other professionals as well. Store managers. Fashion buyers. Sherry Lansing was a secretary before she ran a studio. A small businessperson learning a trade. Sex work has a learning curve, but it’s measured in 2-5 years rather than 30+ years.
There are sectors of the sex industry where mature aged workers have an advantage over younger workers, and where a decade or more of experience and skill is not only prized, but specifically requested. I'm in one. There are others.
BDSM is an odd creature, though. The skillset required to even get started is surprisingly high. A new Domme getting trained up to work? Unlikely to earn much at ALL in her first six months. And by "much at all" I mean "better have a day job if you want to eat".
I know one teeny tiny niche exception doesn't really prove much, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.
Hexy -- that's interesting, I didn't know that. Because I was occasionally called upon to do some mild D, and the customers in question were looking for a combined "typical stripper appearance"/domination experience, it didn't occur to me that conventional attractiveness (eg including appearance of youth) wasn't a part of the serious professional focused BDSM as well. But, I have no experience with the latter so value your insights.
I am curious, though, does that mean that 30-50-somethings are OK or even more valued, but that once one really starts looking middle-aged, it's still problematic? I've had occasion to see websites of professional BDSM purveyors, and none of them look over 50.
Hexy -- that's interesting, I didn't know that.
Most people don't!
I actually lose a hell of a lot of work because I'm simply too young... and I'm in my mid-twenties. It's a common occurance up to around 30.
Because I was occasionally called upon to do some mild D, and the customers in question were looking for a combined "typical stripper appearance"/domination experience, it didn't occur to me that conventional attractiveness (eg including appearance of youth) wasn't a part of the serious professional focused BDSM as well. But, I have no experience with the latter so value your insights.
I completely despise the entire "heirarchy of whoredom", so please don't interpret this as a suggestion that one of the categories I mention is somehow better than the other: The men who are looking for a professional Dominatrix and the men who are looking for a full service worker/stripper with a whip are wildly different. Younger men, men who are brothel clients looking for something "different"... they want the fairly conventional look. Traditional B&D clients and those devoted kinksters are a completely different question. Many older gentlemen and those who are seeking a much heavier level of kink simply don't feel as safe entrusting themselves to a pretty, twenty-something woman for serious torture or discipline and prefer to see women with a decade or so of experience doing the "horrible" things they enjoy with a track record of safe outcomes. Others who focus more on the D/s side of things simply find it easier to submit to a woman with more life experience. I'm a pretty commanding figure, but 25 just doesn't read as "girl" rather than "Dominant" to a lot of men over 40.
Milage varies, of course, and obviously I and other young Dommes still make somewhere between "enough to get by" and "lots"... but it's a fairly well known fact in this sector of the industry that experienced mature women are highly sought after.
I am curious, though, does that mean that 30-50-somethings are OK or even more valued, but that once one really starts looking middle-aged, it's still problematic?
Sometimes. That's more or less "prime", but I know women in their mid-to-late fifties who are working both with and without plastic surgery and doing very well. They tend to get a lot of requests for age play, mother/aunty to son/nephew and "bitchy employer/CEO" role plays, and several have clients they've been seeing for ten years or so, but there's still new guys walking in the door and asking for a mature, dominant woman. Quite recently, I was turned down by a client because I was "too young" and my breasts were too big!
I'm sure there's a limit to it... if any of the women I've worked with have been over sixty, well, they have a great surgeon and haven't spilled their secrets to me. But sixty, these days, is a fairly standard time to be looking at your options for retirement, isn't it?
I've had occasion to see websites of professional BDSM purveyors, and none of them look over 50.
Ahaha... here's the interesting bit! The internet, when it comes to pro-BDSM, quite flatly lies. The women with websites tend to be younger and more net savvy. Some of the older Dommes prefer to do their online advertising via kink-focussed social networking sites such as alt.com and collarme.com, with varying degrees of success. One forty-something woman I work with does very well trawling the chatrooms of such sites, and a search for mature pro-Dommes on Alt.com will probably bring up many more hits than the same search plugged into google. Other mature Dommes, however, simply haven't adjusted to the net. They still use newspaper advertisements, which are still quite successful, or simply work out of houses. Advertising is, after all, one of the things that the house cut of client fees is supposed to pay for. Both houses I've worked out of have had a number of mature Dommes who have had neither interest nor need to set up websites... if you've been working for ten years or more, you've got regulars and you tend see the pre-existing advertising channels as successful. Those of us with IT skills or savvy who have entered the pro-BDSM world in the last ten years or so have seen opportunities to expand advertising and built our world of advertising and client contact on top of the existing one.
Wow, this turned into a bit of a novel! Sorry about that...
Hexy -- that's really good info, thanks. Certainly seems as if maturity is a key factor for BDSM work and therefore there is more methodology for building up equity there.
No serious quibble on the 55 vs 65 thing. These days, it's tough for people to retire at 60 as much as used to be the case -- the economy, as we all know, forces many to work beyone that. Aging out at 55 vs 65 or 70 can be a critical difference. And yet, it's not that kind of difference that concerns me.
The one thing that strikes me is this, and I was thinking about it awhile this morning on the elliptical before this set in.
As you said, the guys wanting domination as part of the sexy stripper/escort thing are different from those who want a focused "serious torture or discipline" experience.
I would argue that the portion of the latter that is not age-dependent is the portion that is not strictly sex work.
In other words, I think that when we are talking colloquially about "sex work," we are talking about work in which ones sexuality figures prominently. As we get towards serious BDSM it's still technically sex work, don't get me wrong. But what allows it to move beyond as much age-dependency is the aspect that is not about sex.
Because I don't think that BDSM customers are uniquely ageism-proof compared to the general population. I think that the other aspects of what they are looking for make the mainstream-sexy appearance less critical. But this is less because it's an aspect of sex work that is age-proof than the fact that there are non-sex-work elements in the mix.
Certainly, it's got a strong sex work component and is certainly classified under sex work. But because of these other elements and because, as you said, it's a very narrow example percentagewise, I'm not sure of its overall effect on the argument at hand.
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